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Tainek · Feb 21, 2006, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Originally Posted by Juk3n

ok, so let me get this straite, u hate on w/mo (not that i am one but i have been for certain situations) but now u hate on plate?/ wtf? Theres nothing wrong with plate, it has its benefits and draw backs just like ALL other armors, (but glads is best, noobs will say) ya, its good, energy is gr8, but it looks like a bra and ffs...IM A warrior and i never play Ele/Nec/Rarley Mes Rarley Monk with my secondary, 80% of my attack skills are adreniline, so..why the hell must i have Glads armor?? lol, it makes me laugh now people are saying what armor a warrior wears determines whether he is a noob ahahah..noobs, FYI Rank 7 , 3.2million xp (cos i love the pve game more than anyone) and 100,500 faction all with plate. What now let me guess ur reply to this,"yeah but with glads u would be rank 9 with 100 million xp and 500,000 faction and u would be invincible and be teh uberest">?? PRO'S KNOW ..THAT IN THE END, Armor - skill list - weapons - equiptment all vary from situation to situation, in pvp, i use plate simply cos i like the look, and b-cos, i dont need the extra energy^^ Come on..use ur brain.

I dont see any hate towards w/mo here, i see dislike towards warriors with a false sense of theyre own abilitys (which is any class)

i Have played through myself with a W/Mo, so i dont discriminate by class

and if your only using skills that use adrenaline, your gimping yourself, a warrior with four adrenaline skills, two energy skills that increase adrenaline gain, and res+heal sig, will out do a warrior with 6 adrenaline skills and a res+heal sig, and for that the extra energy is essential

and if you have the plate, just because your current build doesnt need the extra energy, doesnt mean its not useful- your limited in your choice of builds, you couldnt use a gale warrior effectivly, and many others.

its better to have somthign with a bonus you arnt using, than to have somthing with no bonus, and not have it should you need it, would you buy a car with only two seats, or one exactly the same size and price with 5, even if you didnt need the 5 seats at the time? "Come on..use ur brain."

and i couldnt care less about your rank , or XP, my brother has 1 mil and he's still pretty weak. Rank+XP=! Skill

And if the Pros know, how comes Every single warrior in the WCC regardless of build or role wore gladiators? there was plenty of varitety, but still only glads was used.

the Pros know, that plate provides +5AR vs Normal (non physical) damage, at the penalty of -5 vs physical, and -7 energy (so lets, say, almost a third)

with the gladiators, you can use a spell/enchant/stance to buff your armour against everything, remind me of one situation where plate has any advantage over glads?

the Pros do know, that armour with a bonus, is better than an almost identical armour without a bonus, REGARDLESS of situation. GG

Battle Torn · Feb 21, 2006, 01:15 PM // 13:15

Plate has better elemantal protection so there is your 1 case.

Btw, I use mix of armour as this works best as any real pro will tell you.

Raxxman · Feb 21, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

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Originally Posted by Tainek

I dont see any hate towards w/mo here, i see dislike towards warriors with a false sense of theyre own abilitys (which is any class)

i Have played through myself with a W/Mo, so i dont discriminate by class

and if your only using skills that use adrenaline, your gimping yourself, a warrior with four adrenaline skills, two energy skills that increase adrenaline gain, and res+heal sig, will out do a warrior with 6 adrenaline skills and a res+heal sig, and for that the extra energy is essential

and if you have the plate, just because your current build doesnt need the extra energy, doesnt mean its not useful- your limited in your choice of builds, you couldnt use a gale warrior effectivly, and many others.

its better to have somthign with a bonus you arnt using, than to have somthing with no bonus, and not have it should you need it, would you buy a car with only two seats, or one exactly the same size and price with 5, even if you didnt need the 5 seats at the time? "Come on..use ur brain."

and i couldnt care less about your rank , or XP, my brother has 1 mil and he's still pretty weak. Rank+XP=! Skill

And if the Pros know, how comes Every single warrior in the WCC regardless of build or role wore gladiators? there was plenty of varitety, but still only glads was used.

the Pros know, that plate provides +5AR vs Normal (non physical) damage, at the penalty of -5 vs physical, and -7 energy (so lets, say, almost a third)

with the gladiators, you can use a spell/enchant/stance to buff your armour against everything, remind me of one situation where plate has any advantage over glads?

the Pros do know, that armour with a bonus, is better than an almost identical armour without a bonus, REGARDLESS of situation. GG

Yeah you should really actually watch all the games, one team very clearly used warriors with platemail and ascalon boots.

I know that Glads is technically superior generally, but your statement can be easily proved false.

The Fox · Feb 21, 2006, 03:28 PM // 15:28

I'd say there's a big difference between this statement based on them being used in pvp or pve.

A player needs to be most valuable when the team is at it's biggest threat. Often this is when they are against the biggers group of enemies in pve. For this reason, warriors don't stand out as good choices for pve. They lack AOE & they have to build up momentum through adrenaline -- so when you first hit that big group, the warrior is least effective due to no adrenaline.

Another point worth mentioning is that warriors don't offer as much benefit to the team as a whole. Basically they take and deal damage, and lack the BIG benefit skills, which really alter the outcomes of a close battle.

"noob" deals with a lack of experience. People which play a "harder" class (like a memser), will not often be labled as ignorant, simply because these classes are more technical in nature, so people can't comment on them.

dare49devil · Feb 21, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Originally Posted by vinegrower

I'm guilty of lableing Wa/Mos as "noobs", mainly because if someone is going to herass me, it is always a wamo. Also, every bad warrior that I have ever head in a group is a Wa/mo, you know the ones that you tell to go agro a group, and they instead pull the group into the casters. Now I have had some good wamos, but the vast majority of my experience with them has been bad. Now if a warrior has a differend secondary, that will get my attention. If you watch the GWWC matches, there is almost no wamos, and they are hella good. (especially Im a Paladin, who ironically is not a paladin)

Is this unfair to lable them that way? Probably, but when you get burned soo many times, what else are you to do.

I did not bother reading through 3 pages. So I just took this guys reply.

OBVIOIUSLY you do not see w/mo builds in PVP because it is useless.

w/mo builds are you preferibly in PvE because it is actually better then all. Granted the warrior knows what to bring.

Ok, maybe the majority of warriors are still learning waht to do, but hey you get the top 15% of them and some a pretty GODLY.

I use w/mo always on my Warrior, it is the best for Running, also was best for solo farming, what it does't really work now since they updated Zealots Fire skill. (for pve)

Mo/R is also great for running.

For PvE I NEVER USE w/mo.

Jetdoc · Feb 21, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by dare49devil

For PvE I NEVER USE w/mo.

I think you meant PvP...

Actually, W/Mo's in PvP aren't that bad, although the Gale W/E is obviously dominating the landscape at this point.

W/Mo's running dual Succors on his monks/casters can prove to be invaluable. Strength of Honor ain't too bad either to maximize damage output.

Again, it's one of those things where if you make generalizations, many people can prove them false.

Markaedw · Feb 21, 2006, 04:03 PM // 16:03

I prefer monk secondary, for any class, especially warrior, I start the fight with Bathazar's Spirit this quickens my adrenaline gain. I have a few point based attacks so I can hit hard at the begining. My points are to low for pointbased attacks, but now my adrenaline is charge and I use them. Also I hate being the last one standing and realazing I already used my res sig.

Adrenaline dependancy is the reason warriors rush to the next fight even if no one else is ready. I have this full adrenaline hit ready, it won't last long and everyone is out of energy, I can see the next thing to kill there is a internal pressure to "use it or lose it", which is why I keep a few point attacks.

Eadric · Feb 21, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by seut

....snip.... stop aggroing everything after reaching Yak's Bend.

Exactly.

Being new to online gaming I knew that I was a newbie / noob and that anyone I teamed up with would quickly figure it out too and I would get kicked from the team and I chose to stay away from PvP because of it. In pre I ran solo and in post I ran quests with henchies but once I joined a guild I ran missions with them as often as possible. It wasn't long after entering post (long before Yaks) that I learned that I had to carefully choose my fights as a w/r, because henchies are worse at the game than I was/am.

By the time I got to Kryta I was realising that my cat was, for the most part, a handycap and stopped using it as often as I had been. In the desert I was no longer using my ranger attributes and focused everything on strength and weapon, what ever is left goes into tactics. I do carry a longbow as an attention getter.

Now that I have a warrior at Abaddon's and a ranger at Droks, I still prefer to quest with henchies over pugs, because I expect random acts of stupidness from them (ie, the monk standing beside you while youre toe to toe with the baddie) and they don't bail out on you at a criticle moment (granted they usualy die). I will pug missions here but, ideally, running with your guild is best.

After I capped glads def I worked as a tank in the Tombs only dieing 2 maybe 3 times before getting to the greens. When I died I didn't blame anyone because I expected to die. If the healers/nukers/everyone else were cussing me, I never knew it because it didn't show up in chat.

Eadric · Feb 21, 2006, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by coolsti

....snip.... rushing ahead out of the reach of the monks and other support, rushing ahead without waiting for the rest of the party to regen, etc. etc...snip...

I have done this. Not because I thought I was Rambo or He-Man. It was because I wasn't paying attention and moving too fast. Once the fight started and I realised that I was alone I knew that I was done for. I also knew that if I ran I would drag the mob with me and that is not a good idea. When this happens I try to deal what dammage I can and hope that my support shows up in time to pull my fat out of the fire.

I have found that if I do something stupid and I admit it, the healers will not intentionaly let me die.

Papi Chulo · Feb 21, 2006, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Juk3n

ok, so let me get this straite, u hate on w/mo (not that i am one but i have been for certain situations) but now u hate on plate?/ wtf? Theres nothing wrong with plate, it has its benefits and draw backs just like ALL other armors, (but glads is best, noobs will say) ya, its good, energy is gr8, but it looks like a bra and ffs...IM A warrior and i never play Ele/Nec/Rarley Mes Rarley Monk with my secondary, 80% of my attack skills are adreniline, so..why the hell must i have Glads armor?? lol, it makes me laugh now people are saying what armor a warrior wears determines whether he is a noob ahahah..noobs, FYI Rank 7 , 3.2million xp (cos i love the pve game more than anyone) and 100,500 faction all with plate. What now let me guess ur reply to this,"yeah but with glads u would be rank 9 with 100 million xp and 500,000 faction and u would be invincible and be teh uberest">?? PRO'S KNOW ..THAT IN THE END, Armor - skill list - weapons - equiptment all vary from situation to situation, in pvp, i use plate simply cos i like the look, and b-cos, i dont need the extra energy^^ Come on..use ur brain.

Exactly I dont need any extra energy why would i care if i had it or not? I have mostly adrealine skills and 1 energy taking skill if i needed extra energy i think i would of thought more about which armor i would pick. But because of this i have bought another set of armor which is glads for pvp that way i have 2 sets, 1 for pve and for pvp but i still wonder whats so bad about using plates for pvp it does nothing but give me energy which it something i dont really need.

Thom · Feb 22, 2006, 12:50 AM // 00:50

Argument could be turned around. What is the point of the extra armor when you really aren't using it? The only time warriors are primary targets is when they are over extended (at least in competitive play).

I feel the energy gives me more of an edge and I feel that I need every edge I can get to help my team win. This is also the thinking of most top players.

Shadowfox1125 · Feb 22, 2006, 01:27 AM // 01:27

Because the stereotypical warrior rushes into battle without waiting for his team members, believes he's superior to others, convinces himself that creatures can't harm him, and amidst all the chaos and name calling, gets himself killed and blames others. And a lot of younger players choose them. Enough said, but I know somebody else has already stated this.
Somehow find yourself a good warrior. Sorry, I'm currently busy. =P j/k

When my warrior was just starting out, it was always the other warrior on the team. heh.

Lord Iowerth · Feb 22, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30

This thread is a very interesting read

I see alot of folks complaining about having a jerk xxx (substitute class here) in their group all the time, etc etc.

I've found the easiest way to prevent this sort of thing from happening is to spend a minute or two chatting in the outpost before you go into the mission/out in the zone. 99.9% of the time, the Leeroys will give themselves away, and say "go" over and over, trying to rush you.

Simply discuss your skills and such with your party members (this is a good idea ANYWHERE you go). If you have 2 or more of the same class, it's always a good idea to discuss what skills you're bringing (being a MM when another necro is taking your corpses for putrids/wells/etc is frustrating).

I'd say a good 80% of the time, the reason someone thinks another class is a "noob, roflcopter!!! haha!" is because they don't spend the extra 1-2 minutes before a mission/quest/PvP match making sure everyone has skills that compliment the team.

The remaining 20% is, of course, the sheer lack of common sense of some folks who, even after repeated warnings, go charging headlong into an angry group of charr/mantle/mursaat/hydras/aatxe/shadow while shouting for the monks to heal them, and wondering why they are getting beat up, die, and naturally begin the whole "REZ ME!!!!" spamming.

impuls3d · Feb 22, 2006, 02:12 AM // 02:12

Whats funny is that i noticed a big change when switching armors (1.5k to 15k) When u just sit there waiting for someone to choose you. Its usually quicker to get chosen than being chosen with 1.5k armor. Also what pissess me off is when random people in la d1 or anywhere open trade window with you out of no where and say "You need?" "You want" "Need?" "50k for all" etc. Because that person has 15k armor doesnt mean they have enough money to afford everything u try to sell them. Anyways, alot of wars out there are monkeys i would say, They either dont listen, aggro, afk or are morons. Thats why, if u enter a mission u always be leader so u choose whos on ur party!

coolsti · Feb 22, 2006, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Originally Posted by Eadric

I have done this. Not because I thought I was Rambo or He-Man. It was because I wasn't paying attention and moving too fast. Once the fight started and I realised that I was alone I knew that I was done for. I also knew that if I ran I would drag the mob with me and that is not a good idea. When this happens I try to deal what dammage I can and hope that my support shows up in time to pull my fat out of the fire.

I have found that if I do something stupid and I admit it, the healers will not intentionaly let me die.

I am fortunate enough now to have several GW-friends who like playing warrior, and who play warrior very well. Yes, they make mistakes now and then, but we all do. But they have learned that an awareness of the battlefield and how the rest of the team is doing really helps, and it is a pleasure to see them fall back to help protect the squishies from enemies that have broken through the lines. I am thrilled to see that these Warrior friends actually stand behind me as Ranger before a battle begins, and wait for the enemy that I lure come to them (and damage themselves on the traps I set).

And I think my warrior friends like this kind of more tactical playing style.

Worthington · Feb 22, 2006, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Any warrior that hasn't learned to do things you describe Coolsti by mid game is going to be bad at any class. They just happened to pick Warrior first. And yes my primary PvE is a W.

ps.. hopefully when your friends are falling back they aren't bringing a horde of critters with them

AxeMe · Feb 22, 2006, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by coolsti

I am fortunate enough now to have several GW-friends who like playing warrior, and who play warrior very well. Yes, they make mistakes now and then, but we all do. ..

It seems basic but you're making a good point. No matter how good you are - or what class you play - you're going to occasionally make a dumb mistake. It happens in real life combat and it happens in virtual combat. When things are heated and you are reacting quickly, there's an increased chance of a fatal mistake.

The great thing about making a mistake like that in Guild Wars is that - unlike in real life - you can profit from dying and do better the next time.

crimsonfilms · Feb 22, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

W/Mo Succoring his monk = love

(and trust me, that monk will keep you alive and remove all conditions)

Marth Reynolds · Feb 22, 2006, 10:30 PM // 22:30

And to think that most wars attack the casters from an PVE enemy group while they couldt fight the enemys warriors and let the casters do the rest.....

Papi Chulo · Feb 23, 2006, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by impuls3d

Whats funny is that i noticed a big change when switching armors (1.5k to 15k) When u just sit there waiting for someone to choose you. Its usually quicker to get chosen than being chosen with 1.5k armor. Also what pissess me off is when random people in la d1 or anywhere open trade window with you out of no where and say "You need?" "You want" "Need?" "50k for all" etc. Because that person has 15k armor doesnt mean they have enough money to afford everything u try to sell them. Anyways, alot of wars out there are monkeys i would say, They either dont listen, aggro, afk or are morons. Thats why, if u enter a mission u always be leader so u choose whos on ur party!

Its not just Warriors that aggro the other time i was in the last mission with my guildie for the last time, the ranger kept on aggroing and aggroing all the monsters but we still ended up wining even though the monks died more than once. So i guess its just that every class has its idiot its just becasue little kids pick war because of the fact they weild a sword or axe or hammer so that they look cooler.